What an incredible week to rediscover that one has subscribed to this listserv.

On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:27 PM, John Shankman johnshankman@gmail.com wrote:

CryptoSkulls is a must!!! The most high profile and affordable project. Second PFP project after CryptoPunks!

CryptoSkulls.com

Community is super thoughtful

Follow @leonidasnft on Twitter for more on historical NFTs

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:25 PM Mat Honan <mhonan@gmail.com mailto:mhonan@gmail.com> wrote: Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a long term investment.

Thank you in advance.

whats an nft ᐧ

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:30 PM Jagger De Leo jagger@twoseven.ca wrote:

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, at 1:27 PM, John Shankman wrote:

CryptoSkulls is a must!!! The most high profile and affordable project. Second PFP project after CryptoPunks!

CryptoSkulls.com

Community is super thoughtful

Follow @leonidasnft on Twitter for more on historical NFTs

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:25 PM Mat Honan mhonan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a long term investment.

Thank you in advance.

I'm sorry, what the fuck is this vile shit doing in my inbox? Can you guys... not?

Wow, it's like the awl invaded my inbox 7 years after the last time I even thought about that publication

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:34 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

Flooz!! shoot I freaking loved Flooz.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:32 AM Katie Notopoulos < katie.notopoulos@gmail.com> wrote:

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whats an nft ᐧ

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:30 PM Jagger De Leo jagger@twoseven.ca wrote:

...

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, at 1:27 PM, John Shankman wrote:

CryptoSkulls is a must!!! The most high profile and affordable project. Second PFP project after CryptoPunks!

CryptoSkulls.com

Community is super thoughtful

Follow @leonidasnft on Twitter for more on historical NFTs

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:25 PM Mat Honan mhonan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a long term investment.

Thank you in advance.

I'm sorry, what the fuck is this vile shit doing in my inbox? Can you guys... not?

-- Founding editor, Popula http://www.popula.com and The Brick House https://thebrick.house on Twitter @mariabustillos https://twitter.com/mariabustillos she/her/hers

It's for configuring packet filters on Linux. For some reason people are obsessed with it now.

On Feb 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Katie Notopoulos katie.notopoulos@gmail.com wrote:

whats an nft ᐧ

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:30 PM Jagger De Leo <jagger@twoseven.ca mailto:jagger@twoseven.ca> wrote: On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, at 1:27 PM, John Shankman wrote:

...

CryptoSkulls is a must!!! The most high profile and affordable project. Second PFP project after CryptoPunks!

CryptoSkulls.com

Community is super thoughtful

Follow @leonidasnft on Twitter for more on historical NFTs

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:25 PM Mat Honan <mhonan@gmail.com mailto:mhonan@gmail.com> wrote: Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a long term investment.

Thank you in advance.

I'm sorry, what the fuck is this vile shit doing in my inbox? Can you guys... not?

On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Anil Dash anil@dashes.com wrote:

 You owe me a cut, I accept both Flooz and Beenz.

Shouldn’t you be getting a cut of all of them?

Sick troll

I was kidding about CryptoSkulls btw

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:40 PM Lizzie O'Leary lizzieoleary@gmail.com wrote:

Mat what the fuck

...

On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Mat Honan mhonan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a

long term investment.

...

Thank you in advance.

Mat what is a term investment and how do you get a long one

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jeremy Zilar jeremyzilar@gmail.com wrote:

If it is for pure investment purposes, check out Masterworks https://www.masterworks.io/

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:40 PM Lizzie O'Leary lizzieoleary@gmail.com wrote:

...

Mat what the fuck

...

On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Mat Honan mhonan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a

long term investment.

...

Thank you in advance.

bird seed

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:45 AM Joel Johnson joeljohnson@gmail.com wrote:

Please put me ON this list (again)

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:43 PM Silvia Gonzalez Killingsworth < silviagk@gmail.com> wrote:

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Mat what is a term investment and how do you get a long one

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jeremy Zilar jeremyzilar@gmail.com wrote:

...

If it is for pure investment purposes, check out Masterworks https://www.masterworks.io/

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:40 PM Lizzie O'Leary lizzieoleary@gmail.com wrote:

...

Mat what the fuck

...

On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Mat Honan mhonan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a

long term investment.

...

Thank you in advance.

Staying on this listserv was apparently the right long-term investment given the amusement this thread is adding to my day.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:49 AM Ryan Catbird ryan@catbirdseat.org wrote:

My 12-year old son advises me that you should invest in something called "DEEZ" whatever that is

On 02/07/2022 1:47 PM Alex Dunn dunn.alex@gmail.com wrote:

bird seed

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:45 AM Joel Johnson joeljohnson@gmail.com wrote:

Please put me ON this list (again)

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:43 PM Silvia Gonzalez Killingsworth < silviagk@gmail.com> wrote:

Mat what is a term investment and how do you get a long one

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jeremy Zilar jeremyzilar@gmail.com wrote:

If it is for pure investment purposes, check out Masterworks https://www.masterworks.io/

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:40 PM Lizzie O'Leary lizzieoleary@gmail.com wrote:

Mat what the fuck

...

On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Mat Honan mhonan@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a

long term investment.

...

Thank you in advance.

I’ve been on deep rest for the past couple of months, meaning I’m not in the states, I’m not paying much attention to email, I deleted four-fifths of my phone book, I’m doing maybe two hours of work a week to keep the biz in maintenance mode, etc etc etc. I know about blockchain stuff, natch, but very little about NFTs, and I have not bothered to read about it, because it will probably just make me mad and sad, due to bad. Instead I have spent a lot of time looking at plants, cooking meals, reading books in dive bars near the equator, and way less time writing about design than pretty much any of you want me to. I think this thread is over double the amount of email that I’ve received in 2022.

I know this will shock you, but I have not read much about the tech industry lately. And that is how I found myself when I sat down next to a pair of humans in a third-wave coffee shop in Lisbon a couple of weeks ago, who talked about NFTs in perfect southern California accents at a Mach 4 clip for two straight hours. This was supposed to be a productive time for me. Instead, I wrote nothing, edited nothing, journaled about nothing, and all of my thoughts left the building, replaced only with their many very bad ideas about NFTs, until I stumbled home and journaled about what has come of us all as the sun set.

One of their bad ideas was that they were going to use NFTs to buy real estate. I thought back to the time when I bought my own house in Chicago, and then refinanced the house, and then someone had to quitclaim the house due to reasons. And then I got to thinking about all of the interlocking, highly problematic structures of power that underlie the deed & title industries, to say nothing of the manufactured product that regulated mortgages have become over the past hundred-odd years. It seems to me like these people want to make lots of money to solve their problem, which I guess is one potential solution. You can do an awful lot of things with enough money. But I don’t think the title industry will do much with blockchain in our lifetimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m often wrong.

Another bad idea of theirs, which ran through maybe three-fourths of their conversation, was how they were going to use NFTs to finally be paid appropriately as artists. Which is noble, I guess, because people need to make a living, and it’s hard to make a living as an artist. I have a lot of compassion for them on this. They are probably deeply afraid, unactualized, wondering if the world has a place for their voice, and time is running out for them. But it also feels like a bit of an art-world end-run, and not terribly punk, to do the NFT thing to it, so I don’t think I feel okay about that. If it helps some artists get paid, sure, great, but it’s going to be just like every other platform where artists get paid, where there will be a few outsize benefactors at the beginning, a panicked gold rush in the middle, and a broad-scale reduction of quality in the end. I had an early-days project on Kickstarter and watched this dynamic play out in real time. Kickstarte had comparatively little environmental impact – but it existed in the same space of hope, of untapped possibility, of real desire.

It seems to me that NFTs are a clean manifestation of the intellectual and spiritual impoverishment that has afflicted the human experiment during societal collapse. The only rebuttal I’ve heard to this is “yeah but I can make money from it.” Which, okay. I try to make money honestly, which is impossible and conceptually bankrupt, but at least I don’t have to strip-mine quite as much of the planet to do it. Heck, I’m guessing even my pond hops are killing the planet less. I don’t feel good about those, either.

One of my group texts sent me this tweet the other week: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRichardKarn/status/1478504258148257794 It sums up my current energy regarding the thing. I hope this email finds you well and you’re having an awesome day.

I invest everything in boring index funds at Vanguard.

Take care,

The problem is that NFT ownership doesn’t correlate to copyright ownership. All you own is an NFT and people are minting them for IP they don’t even own.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:39 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

Y'all josh but I think there is a lot of nuance to this thing.

My ex is a painter (and I am ancient) and so the art side of the NFT business struck me differently from how it did most, i.e. as just the most recent manifestation of extremely familiar art-scamming; Warhol/Koons/Hirst of the present day. Wherever there is a huge and sudden excess of wealth, there will be art-scammers to cash in. But this NFT world has some mindbending things in it, like the scalp-proof events tickets and self-contained fandoms on offer at yellowheart.io https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2021/12/18/web-3-is-a-return-to-the-internets-wild-spirit/. Kings of Leon made like $2 million on their NFT album sale. The guy who runs it Josh Katz is a genius imo.

If I were buying one for myself I think it might be the Moxie poop-emoji one,

Maria.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:22 AM Nick Disabato nickd@nickd.org wrote:

...

I’ve been on deep rest for the past couple of months, meaning I’m not in the states, I’m not paying much attention to email, I deleted four-fifths of my phone book, I’m doing maybe two hours of work a week to keep the biz in maintenance mode, etc etc etc. I know about blockchain stuff, natch, but very little about NFTs, and I have not bothered to read about it, because it will probably just make me mad and sad, due to bad. Instead I have spent a lot of time looking at plants, cooking meals, reading books in dive bars near the equator, and way less time writing about design than pretty much any of you want me to. I think this thread is over double the amount of email that I’ve received in 2022.

I know this will shock you, but I have not read much about the tech industry lately. And that is how I found myself when I sat down next to a pair of humans in a third-wave coffee shop in Lisbon a couple of weeks ago, who talked about NFTs in perfect southern California accents at a Mach 4 clip for two straight hours. This was supposed to be a productive time for me. Instead, I wrote nothing, edited nothing, journaled about nothing, and all of my thoughts left the building, replaced only with their many very bad ideas about NFTs, until I stumbled home and journaled about what has come of us all as the sun set.

One of their bad ideas was that they were going to use NFTs to buy real estate. I thought back to the time when I bought my own house in Chicago, and then refinanced the house, and then someone had to quitclaim the house due to reasons. And *then *I got to thinking about all of the interlocking, highly problematic structures of power that underlie the deed & title industries, to say nothing of the manufactured product that regulated mortgages have become over the past hundred-odd years. It seems to me like these people want to make lots of money to solve their problem, which I guess is one potential solution. You can do an awful lot of things with enough money. But I don’t think the title industry will do much with blockchain in our lifetimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m often wrong.

Another bad idea of theirs, which ran through maybe three-fourths of their conversation, was how they were going to use NFTs to finally be paid appropriately as artists. Which is noble, I guess, because people need to make a living, and it’s hard to make a living as an artist. I have a lot of compassion for them on this. They are probably deeply afraid, unactualized, wondering if the world has a place for their voice, and time is running out for them. But it also feels like a bit of an art-world end-run, and not terribly punk, to do the NFT thing to it, so I don’t think I feel okay about that. If it helps some artists get paid, sure, great, but it’s going to be just like every other platform where artists get paid, where there will be a few outsize benefactors at the beginning, a panicked gold rush in the middle, and a broad-scale reduction of quality in the end. I had an early-days project on Kickstarter and watched this dynamic play out in real time. Kickstarte had comparatively little environmental impact – but it existed in the same space of hope, of untapped possibility, of real desire.

It seems to me that NFTs are a clean manifestation of the intellectual and spiritual impoverishment that has afflicted the human experiment during societal collapse. The only rebuttal I’ve heard to this is “yeah but I can make money from it.” Which, okay. I try to make money honestly, which is impossible *and* conceptually bankrupt, but at least I don’t have to strip-mine quite as much of the planet to do it. Heck, I’m guessing even my pond hops are killing the planet less. I don’t feel good about those, either.

One of my group texts sent me this tweet the other week: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRichardKarn/status/1478504258148257794 It sums up my current energy regarding the thing. I hope this email finds you well and you’re having an awesome day.

I invest everything in boring index funds at Vanguard.

Take care,

nickd! he/they https://nickd.org https://draft.nu

-- Founding editor, Popula http://www.popula.com and The Brick House https://thebrick.house on Twitter @mariabustillos https://twitter.com/mariabustillos she/her/hers

Wow, can’t wait to invest in this piece of art history. What will historians say when they uncover the Cryptoskull frescoes and see my name engraved on the bottom? Oh wait, they won’t, because they’ll need a mac from 2020 to open the stupid jpeg.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:42 PM John Shankman johnshankman@gmail.com wrote:

CryptoSkulls is full IP ownership! 🙄

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:41 PM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

...

The problem is that NFT ownership doesn’t correlate to copyright ownership. All you own is an NFT and people are minting them for IP they don’t even own.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:39 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

...

Y'all josh but I think there is a lot of nuance to this thing.

My ex is a painter (and I am ancient) and so the art side of the NFT business struck me differently from how it did most, i.e. as just the most recent manifestation of extremely familiar art-scamming; Warhol/Koons/Hirst of the present day. Wherever there is a huge and sudden excess of wealth, there will be art-scammers to cash in. But this NFT world has some mindbending things in it, like the scalp-proof events tickets and self-contained fandoms on offer at yellowheart.io https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2021/12/18/web-3-is-a-return-to-the-internets-wild-spirit/. Kings of Leon made like $2 million on their NFT album sale. The guy who runs it Josh Katz is a genius imo.

If I were buying one for myself I think it might be the Moxie poop-emoji one,

Maria.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:22 AM Nick Disabato nickd@nickd.org wrote:

...

I’ve been on deep rest for the past couple of months, meaning I’m not in the states, I’m not paying much attention to email, I deleted four-fifths of my phone book, I’m doing maybe two hours of work a week to keep the biz in maintenance mode, etc etc etc. I know about blockchain stuff, natch, but very little about NFTs, and I have not bothered to read about it, because it will probably just make me mad and sad, due to bad. Instead I have spent a lot of time looking at plants, cooking meals, reading books in dive bars near the equator, and way less time writing about design than pretty much any of you want me to. I think this thread is over double the amount of email that I’ve received in 2022.

I know this will shock you, but I have not read much about the tech industry lately. And that is how I found myself when I sat down next to a pair of humans in a third-wave coffee shop in Lisbon a couple of weeks ago, who talked about NFTs in perfect southern California accents at a Mach 4 clip for two straight hours. This was supposed to be a productive time for me. Instead, I wrote nothing, edited nothing, journaled about nothing, and all of my thoughts left the building, replaced only with their many very bad ideas about NFTs, until I stumbled home and journaled about what has come of us all as the sun set.

One of their bad ideas was that they were going to use NFTs to buy real estate. I thought back to the time when I bought my own house in Chicago, and then refinanced the house, and then someone had to quitclaim the house due to reasons. And *then *I got to thinking about all of the interlocking, highly problematic structures of power that underlie the deed & title industries, to say nothing of the manufactured product that regulated mortgages have become over the past hundred-odd years. It seems to me like these people want to make lots of money to solve their problem, which I guess is one potential solution. You can do an awful lot of things with enough money. But I don’t think the title industry will do much with blockchain in our lifetimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m often wrong.

Another bad idea of theirs, which ran through maybe three-fourths of their conversation, was how they were going to use NFTs to finally be paid appropriately as artists. Which is noble, I guess, because people need to make a living, and it’s hard to make a living as an artist. I have a lot of compassion for them on this. They are probably deeply afraid, unactualized, wondering if the world has a place for their voice, and time is running out for them. But it also feels like a bit of an art-world end-run, and not terribly punk, to do the NFT thing to it, so I don’t think I feel okay about that. If it helps some artists get paid, sure, great, but it’s going to be just like every other platform where artists get paid, where there will be a few outsize benefactors at the beginning, a panicked gold rush in the middle, and a broad-scale reduction of quality in the end. I had an early-days project on Kickstarter and watched this dynamic play out in real time. Kickstarte had comparatively little environmental impact – but it existed in the same space of hope, of untapped possibility, of real desire.

It seems to me that NFTs are a clean manifestation of the intellectual and spiritual impoverishment that has afflicted the human experiment during societal collapse. The only rebuttal I’ve heard to this is “yeah but I can make money from it.” Which, okay. I try to make money honestly, which is impossible *and* conceptually bankrupt, but at least I don’t have to strip-mine quite as much of the planet to do it. Heck, I’m guessing even my pond hops are killing the planet less. I don’t feel good about those, either.

One of my group texts sent me this tweet the other week: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRichardKarn/status/1478504258148257794 It sums up my current energy regarding the thing. I hope this email finds you well and you’re having an awesome day.

I invest everything in boring index funds at Vanguard.

Take care,

nickd! he/they https://nickd.org https://draft.nu

-- Founding editor, Popula http://www.popula.com and The Brick House https://thebrick.house on Twitter @mariabustillos https://twitter.com/mariabustillos she/her/hers

You can own a copy of Ulysses for a few bucks but the first edition will set you back about $75,000. Same words, same order. The 'points' that distinguish the first edition are known to a few adepts, who care very passionately about such things. This is no different.

(Like any other kind of contract, smart contracts for NFTs can be written responsibly and carefully, or not; those whose IP rights are being infringed are going to get satisfaction in the courts for 100% sure.)

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:41 AM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

The problem is that NFT ownership doesn’t correlate to copyright ownership. All you own is an NFT and people are minting them for IP they don’t even own.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:39 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

...

Y'all josh but I think there is a lot of nuance to this thing.

My ex is a painter (and I am ancient) and so the art side of the NFT business struck me differently from how it did most, i.e. as just the most recent manifestation of extremely familiar art-scamming; Warhol/Koons/Hirst of the present day. Wherever there is a huge and sudden excess of wealth, there will be art-scammers to cash in. But this NFT world has some mindbending things in it, like the scalp-proof events tickets and self-contained fandoms on offer at yellowheart.io https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2021/12/18/web-3-is-a-return-to-the-internets-wild-spirit/. Kings of Leon made like $2 million on their NFT album sale. The guy who runs it Josh Katz is a genius imo.

If I were buying one for myself I think it might be the Moxie poop-emoji one,

Maria.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:22 AM Nick Disabato nickd@nickd.org wrote:

...

I’ve been on deep rest for the past couple of months, meaning I’m not in the states, I’m not paying much attention to email, I deleted four-fifths of my phone book, I’m doing maybe two hours of work a week to keep the biz in maintenance mode, etc etc etc. I know about blockchain stuff, natch, but very little about NFTs, and I have not bothered to read about it, because it will probably just make me mad and sad, due to bad. Instead I have spent a lot of time looking at plants, cooking meals, reading books in dive bars near the equator, and way less time writing about design than pretty much any of you want me to. I think this thread is over double the amount of email that I’ve received in 2022.

I know this will shock you, but I have not read much about the tech industry lately. And that is how I found myself when I sat down next to a pair of humans in a third-wave coffee shop in Lisbon a couple of weeks ago, who talked about NFTs in perfect southern California accents at a Mach 4 clip for two straight hours. This was supposed to be a productive time for me. Instead, I wrote nothing, edited nothing, journaled about nothing, and all of my thoughts left the building, replaced only with their many very bad ideas about NFTs, until I stumbled home and journaled about what has come of us all as the sun set.

One of their bad ideas was that they were going to use NFTs to buy real estate. I thought back to the time when I bought my own house in Chicago, and then refinanced the house, and then someone had to quitclaim the house due to reasons. And *then *I got to thinking about all of the interlocking, highly problematic structures of power that underlie the deed & title industries, to say nothing of the manufactured product that regulated mortgages have become over the past hundred-odd years. It seems to me like these people want to make lots of money to solve their problem, which I guess is one potential solution. You can do an awful lot of things with enough money. But I don’t think the title industry will do much with blockchain in our lifetimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m often wrong.

Another bad idea of theirs, which ran through maybe three-fourths of their conversation, was how they were going to use NFTs to finally be paid appropriately as artists. Which is noble, I guess, because people need to make a living, and it’s hard to make a living as an artist. I have a lot of compassion for them on this. They are probably deeply afraid, unactualized, wondering if the world has a place for their voice, and time is running out for them. But it also feels like a bit of an art-world end-run, and not terribly punk, to do the NFT thing to it, so I don’t think I feel okay about that. If it helps some artists get paid, sure, great, but it’s going to be just like every other platform where artists get paid, where there will be a few outsize benefactors at the beginning, a panicked gold rush in the middle, and a broad-scale reduction of quality in the end. I had an early-days project on Kickstarter and watched this dynamic play out in real time. Kickstarte had comparatively little environmental impact – but it existed in the same space of hope, of untapped possibility, of real desire.

It seems to me that NFTs are a clean manifestation of the intellectual and spiritual impoverishment that has afflicted the human experiment during societal collapse. The only rebuttal I’ve heard to this is “yeah but I can make money from it.” Which, okay. I try to make money honestly, which is impossible *and* conceptually bankrupt, but at least I don’t have to strip-mine quite as much of the planet to do it. Heck, I’m guessing even my pond hops are killing the planet less. I don’t feel good about those, either.

One of my group texts sent me this tweet the other week: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRichardKarn/status/1478504258148257794 It sums up my current energy regarding the thing. I hope this email finds you well and you’re having an awesome day.

I invest everything in boring index funds at Vanguard.

Take care,

nickd! he/they https://nickd.org https://draft.nu

-- Founding editor, Popula http://www.popula.com and The Brick House https://thebrick.house on Twitter @mariabustillos https://twitter.com/mariabustillos she/her/hers

I don't believe there's any precedent for enforcing copyright transferred through an NFT.

On Mon Feb 7, 2022 at 2:10 PM CST, wasolili wrote:

...

(Like any other kind of contract, smart contracts for NFTs can be written responsibly and carefully, or not; those whose IP rights are being infringed are going to get satisfaction in the courts for 100% sure.)

Easier said than done. Hard to sue the person who stole and minted the IP when all you have to identify them is a blockchain address. Artists are already struggling with this.

-------- Original Message -------- On Feb 7, 2022, 2:47 PM, Maria Bustillos wrote:

...

You can own a copy of Ulysses for a few bucks but the first edition will set you back about $75,000. Same words, same order. The 'points' that distinguish the first edition are known to a few adepts, who care very passionately about such things. This is no different.

(Like any other kind of contract, smart contracts for NFTs can be written responsibly and carefully, or not; those whose IP rights are being infringed are going to get satisfaction in the courts for 100% sure.)

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:41 AM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

...

The problem is that NFT ownership doesn’t correlate to copyright ownership. All you own is an NFT and people are minting them for IP they don’t even own.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:39 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

...

Y'all josh but I think there is a lot of nuance to this thing.

My ex is a painter (and I am ancient) and so the art side of the NFT business struck me differently from how it did most, i.e. as just the most recent manifestation of extremely familiar art-scamming; Warhol/Koons/Hirst of the present day. Wherever there is a huge and sudden excess of wealth, there will be art-scammers to cash in. But this NFT world has some mindbending things in it, like the scalp-proof events tickets and self-contained fandoms [on offer at yellowheart.io](https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2021/12/18/web-3-is-a-return-to-the-internet...). Kings of Leon made like $2 million on their NFT album sale. The guy who runs it Josh Katz is a genius imo.

If I were buying one for myself I think it might be the Moxie poop-emoji one,

Maria.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:22 AM Nick Disabato nickd@nickd.org wrote:

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I’ve been on deep rest for the past couple of months, meaning I’m not in the states, I’m not paying much attention to email, I deleted four-fifths of my phone book, I’m doing maybe two hours of work a week to keep the biz in maintenance mode, etc etc etc. I know about blockchain stuff, natch, but very little about NFTs, and I have not bothered to read about it, because it will probably just make me mad and sad, due to bad. Instead I have spent a lot of time looking at plants, cooking meals, reading books in dive bars near the equator, and way less time writing about design than pretty much any of you want me to. I think this thread is over double the amount of email that I’ve received in 2022.

I know this will shock you, but I have not read much about the tech industry lately. And that is how I found myself when I sat down next to a pair of humans in a third-wave coffee shop in Lisbon a couple of weeks ago, who talked about NFTs in perfect southern California accents at a Mach 4 clip for two straight hours. This was supposed to be a productive time for me. Instead, I wrote nothing, edited nothing, journaled about nothing, and all of my thoughts left the building, replaced only with their many very bad ideas about NFTs, until I stumbled home and journaled about what has come of us all as the sun set.

One of their bad ideas was that they were going to use NFTs to buy real estate. I thought back to the time when I bought my own house in Chicago, and then refinanced the house, and then someone had to quitclaim the house due to reasons. And then I got to thinking about all of the interlocking, highly problematic structures of power that underlie the deed & title industries, to say nothing of the manufactured product that regulated mortgages have become over the past hundred-odd years. It seems to me like these people want to make lots of money to solve their problem, which I guess is one potential solution. You can do an awful lot of things with enough money. But I don’t think the title industry will do much with blockchain in our lifetimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m often wrong.

Another bad idea of theirs, which ran through maybe three-fourths of their conversation, was how they were going to use NFTs to finally be paid appropriately as artists. Which is noble, I guess, because people need to make a living, and it’s hard to make a living as an artist. I have a lot of compassion for them on this. They are probably deeply afraid, unactualized, wondering if the world has a place for their voice, and time is running out for them. But it also feels like a bit of an art-world end-run, and not terribly punk, to do the NFT thing to it, so I don’t think I feel okay about that. If it helps some artists get paid, sure, great, but it’s going to be just like every other platform where artists get paid, where there will be a few outsize benefactors at the beginning, a panicked gold rush in the middle, and a broad-scale reduction of quality in the end. I had an early-days project on Kickstarter and watched this dynamic play out in real time. Kickstarte had comparatively little environmental impact – but it existed in the same space of hope, of untapped possibility, of real desire.

It seems to me that NFTs are a clean manifestation of the intellectual and spiritual impoverishment that has afflicted the human experiment during societal collapse. The only rebuttal I’ve heard to this is “yeah but I can make money from it.” Which, okay. I try to make money honestly, which is impossible and conceptually bankrupt, but at least I don’t have to strip-mine quite as much of the planet to do it. Heck, I’m guessing even my pond hops are killing the planet less. I don’t feel good about those, either.

One of my group texts sent me this tweet the other week: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRichardKarn/status/1478504258148257794 It sums up my current energy regarding the thing. I hope this email finds you well and you’re having an awesome day.

I invest everything in boring index funds at Vanguard.

Take care,

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On Feb 7, 2022, at 11:53, Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

NFTs, and most of Crypto, are a pump and dump scheme and most people end up losers in that game.

There are *many* scams in crypto, but these blanket statements about the entire market are simply false, and people should stop spreading them, if for no other reason than they are inaccurate.

This is one of those common cocktail party "everybody knows" things that people say a lot that just aren't true. Everyone I know saying this is almost entirely ignorant of the cryptocurrency markets.

Best, -sneak

Are these blanket statements interfering with the crypto scams that you like?

If not, can you share with us what crypto project/investment you believe in that its value isn't based on a scam? (not "value in utility" like same-day payments without regulatory oversight, "value for investment").

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:56 PM Jeffrey Paul sneak@sneak.berlin wrote:

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On Feb 7, 2022, at 11:53, Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

NFTs, and most of Crypto, are a pump and dump scheme and most people

end up losers in that game.

There are *many* scams in crypto, but these blanket statements about the entire market are simply false, and people should stop spreading them, if for no other reason than they are inaccurate.

This is one of those common cocktail party "everybody knows" things that people say a lot that just aren't true. Everyone I know saying this is almost entirely ignorant of the cryptocurrency markets.

Best, -sneak

-- Jeffrey Paul +1 312 361 0355 (voice, sms, Signal) 5539 AD00 DE4C 42F3 AFE1 1575 0524 43F4 DF2A 55C2

Y'all remember the first internet!! just slap an e in front of whatever and rake in your VC dough. eToothpaste, ePeanuts, anything. A ton of it was scams and a ton of it wasn't.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:03 PM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

Sure. It’s “not true” lol. I also know someone who bought a brownstone off of early bitcoin investment, but the whole thing is a bit like an Herbalife vendor. A couple early investors make a lot of money, and everyone else breaks even or loses. That’s why all these grifters keep creating new versions of the same blockchain technology to invest in. It’s a pyramid scheme, and you only cash out if you get in early. And what’s a better way to predict getting in early than creating the thing?

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:55 PM Jeffrey Paul sneak@sneak.berlin wrote:

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On Feb 7, 2022, at 11:53, Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com

wrote:

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NFTs, and most of Crypto, are a pump and dump scheme and most people

end up losers in that game.

There are *many* scams in crypto, but these blanket statements about the entire market are simply false, and people should stop spreading them, if for no other reason than they are inaccurate.

This is one of those common cocktail party "everybody knows" things that people say a lot that just aren't true. Everyone I know saying this is almost entirely ignorant of the cryptocurrency markets.

Best, -sneak

-- Jeffrey Paul +1 312 361 0355 (voice, sms, Signal) 5539 AD00 DE4C 42F3 AFE1 1575 0524 43F4 DF2A 55C2

“Hardware” is not where I expected that sentence to end up!

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:16 PM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

And let’s see how that turned out? All it resulted in is a disinformation machine that is undergoing rapid devaluation. It could have been great! But it wasn’t. This resurrected forum from 2013 is the perfect analogy for how fucking dumb and awful the internet became. And very quickly, the world is discovering how worthless it all is. It’s all a scam. The only worthwhile, long term technology investment is in hardware.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:11 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

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Y'all remember the first internet!! just slap an e in front of whatever and rake in your VC dough. eToothpaste, ePeanuts, anything. A ton of it was scams and a ton of it wasn't.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:03 PM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

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Sure. It’s “not true” lol. I also know someone who bought a brownstone off of early bitcoin investment, but the whole thing is a bit like an Herbalife vendor. A couple early investors make a lot of money, and everyone else breaks even or loses. That’s why all these grifters keep creating new versions of the same blockchain technology to invest in. It’s a pyramid scheme, and you only cash out if you get in early. And what’s a better way to predict getting in early than creating the thing?

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:55 PM Jeffrey Paul sneak@sneak.berlin wrote:

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On Feb 7, 2022, at 11:53, Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com

wrote:

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NFTs, and most of Crypto, are a pump and dump scheme and most people

end up losers in that game.

There are *many* scams in crypto, but these blanket statements about the entire market are simply false, and people should stop spreading them, if for no other reason than they are inaccurate.

This is one of those common cocktail party "everybody knows" things that people say a lot that just aren't true. Everyone I know saying this is almost entirely ignorant of the cryptocurrency markets.

Best, -sneak

-- Jeffrey Paul +1 312 361 0355 (voice, sms, Signal) 5539 AD00 DE4C 42F3 AFE1 1575 0524 43F4 DF2A 55C2

-- Founding editor, Popula http://www.popula.com and The Brick House https://thebrick.house on Twitter @mariabustillos https://twitter.com/mariabustillos she/her/hers

This becoming a "historical NFT" project on the blockchain is the natural extension of this conversation.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:58 PM Chris Ainsworth chris@driph.com wrote:

yes, newsletter from tabs, I subscribe too!

can someone mint all the replies in this thread, I would like to buy the "what is a term investment and how do you get a long one” message please

On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Sarah Emerson sarahkateemerson@gmail.com wrote:

“Hardware” is not where I expected that sentence to end up!

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:16 PM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

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And let’s see how that turned out? All it resulted in is a disinformation machine that is undergoing rapid devaluation. It could have been great! But it wasn’t. This resurrected forum from 2013 is the perfect analogy for how fucking dumb and awful the internet became. And very quickly, the world is discovering how worthless it all is. It’s all a scam. The only worthwhile, long term technology investment is in hardware.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:11 PM Maria Bustillos maria@popula.com wrote:

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Y'all remember the first internet!! just slap an e in front of whatever and rake in your VC dough. eToothpaste, ePeanuts, anything. A ton of it was scams and a ton of it wasn't.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:03 PM Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com wrote:

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Sure. It’s “not true” lol. I also know someone who bought a brownstone off of early bitcoin investment, but the whole thing is a bit like an Herbalife vendor. A couple early investors make a lot of money, and everyone else breaks even or loses. That’s why all these grifters keep creating new versions of the same blockchain technology to invest in. It’s a pyramid scheme, and you only cash out if you get in early. And what’s a better way to predict getting in early than creating the thing?

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:55 PM Jeffrey Paul sneak@sneak.berlin wrote:

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On Feb 7, 2022, at 11:53, Colin Fitzpatrick fitzcolin@gmail.com

wrote:

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NFTs, and most of Crypto, are a pump and dump scheme and most

people end up losers in that game.

There are *many* scams in crypto, but these blanket statements about the entire market are simply false, and people should stop spreading them, if for no other reason than they are inaccurate.

This is one of those common cocktail party "everybody knows" things that people say a lot that just aren't true. Everyone I know saying this is almost entirely ignorant of the cryptocurrency markets.

Best, -sneak

-- Jeffrey Paul +1 312 361 0355 (voice, sms, Signal) 5539 AD00 DE4C 42F3 AFE1 1575 0524 43F4 DF2A 55C2

-- Founding editor, Popula http://www.popula.com/ and The Brick House https://thebrick.house/ on Twitter @mariabustillos https://twitter.com/mariabustillos she/her/hers

Thanks for reminding me that tilde club exists and I haven’t properly done anything with my account!

On Feb 7, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Silvia Gonzalez Killingsworth silviagk@gmail.com wrote:

Mat what is a term investment and how do you get a long one

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jeremy Zilar <jeremyzilar@gmail.com mailto:jeremyzilar@gmail.com> wrote: If it is for pure investment purposes, check out Masterworks https://www.masterworks.io/ https://www.masterworks.io/ On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 1:40 PM Lizzie O'Leary <lizzieoleary@gmail.com mailto:lizzieoleary@gmail.com> wrote: Mat what the fuck

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On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Mat Honan <mhonan@gmail.com mailto:mhonan@gmail.com> wrote:

Can anyone suggest some good NFTs for me to invest in?

I'm not looking to day trade, to be clear. I'm interested in making a long term investment.

Thank you in advance.