Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 19:33, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
Mostly botany. Figure if I can’t keep a real plant alive might as well fail at keeping a digital one alive too.
- jdm
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 19:33, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
Re-sending from my tilde address...
Mostly botany. Figure if I can’t keep a real plant alive might as well fail at keeping a digital one alive too.
I'm a recent member but used shells back on the early 2000's. I missed the traqulity of just plain shell and also IRC, so here I am. And now since I discovered the Gemini protocol I'm using it as a playground on what I can do. The protocol itself and the markup is simple but you can do a lot server side, so I'm taking my time to learn it while I also learn Python.
I do have a VPS and also I work on my Linux everyday, but here we have a nice community :)
~odintsoff
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, JDM wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 19:33, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
Re-sending from my tilde address...
Mostly botany. Figure if I can’t keep a real plant alive might as well fail at keeping a digital one alive too.
-- jdm
On 02/03/2022 03:09, JDM wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 19:33, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
Re-sending from my tilde address...
Mostly botany. Figure if I can’t keep a real plant alive might as well fail at keeping a digital one alive too.
Echoing this. Actually, only botany at the moment... and my digital plant died the other day :(
What's that botany thing you are talking about?
I primarily use tilde.club for my personal blog, which is mostly a documentation of stuff I do with my laptop.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, cosarara wrote:
On 02/03/2022 03:09, JDM wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 19:33, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
Re-sending from my tilde address...
Mostly botany. Figure if I can’t keep a real plant alive might as well fail at keeping a digital one alive too.
Echoing this. Actually, only botany at the moment... and my digital plant died the other day :(
I've only been here a couple of weeks so I'm still figuring this out. I've used Linux for many years (still quite a novice), but never in a multiuser environment. So I guess I'm here to explore and socialize with some other folks who like this kind of interaction instead of main stream social media.
I find it easier to focus here, and seems like I'm learning new skills that could potentially be useful.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022, redtrumpet@tilde.club wrote:
What's that botany thing you are talking about?
I primarily use tilde.club for my personal blog, which is mostly a documentation of stuff I do with my laptop.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, cosarara wrote:
On 02/03/2022 03:09, JDM wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 19:33, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
Re-sending from my tilde address...
Mostly botany. Figure if I can’t keep a real plant alive might as well fail at keeping a digital one alive too.
Echoing this. Actually, only botany at the moment... and my digital plant died the other day :(
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, at 14:44, redtrumpet@tilde.club wrote:
What's that botany thing you are talking about?
The README says it's a command line, realtime, community plant buddy.
When you're logged into tilde.club run `botany` and grow your plant!
I primarily use tilde.club for my personal blog, which is mostly a documentation of stuff I do with my laptop.
What to share your blog? Always enjoy checking out others writings.
Mostly IRC, news, and the occasional flamewar on this email list ;)
- tubbo
On 03/01, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
Hey Tubbo (his word not mine),
I couldn't find your GPG public key `F787E5BAAA9AE3DF95FC7791D414A7A09348E547` to verify your signature. Not that it matters in this case, but I thought you should know it isn't on the keyservers.
-- ~elb
On 22 Mar 2022, at 16:48, Tom Scott wrote:
Mostly IRC, news, and the occasional flamewar on this email list ;)
- tubbo
On 03/01, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
I seem to get the same error from you, but my key is definitely on _a_ keyserver: https://keybase.io/tubbo
What other keyservers do I need to post the public key to so you can verify it? Just for funsies.
- tubbo
On 03/23, Eric Beavers wrote:
Hey Tubbo (his word not mine),
I couldn't find your GPG public key `F787E5BAAA9AE3DF95FC7791D414A7A09348E547` to verify your signature. Not that it matters in this case, but I thought you should know it isn't on the keyservers.
-- ~elb
On 22 Mar 2022, at 16:48, Tom Scott wrote:
Mostly IRC, news, and the occasional flamewar on this email list ;)
- tubbo
On 03/01, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
Cool. I'm also on keybase at https://keybase.io/elbeavers. For GPG (aka OpenPGP), you can learn more about keyservers aat https://keys.openpgp.org/about/usage.
-- ~elb
On 23 Mar 2022, at 13:01, Tom Scott wrote:
I seem to get the same error from you, but my key is definitely on _a_ keyserver: https://keybase.io/tubbo
What other keyservers do I need to post the public key to so you can verify it? Just for funsies.
- tubbo
On 03/23, Eric Beavers wrote:
Hey Tubbo (his word not mine),
I couldn't find your GPG public key `F787E5BAAA9AE3DF95FC7791D414A7A09348E547` to verify your signature. Not that it matters in this case, but I thought you should know it isn't on the keyservers.
-- ~elb
On 22 Mar 2022, at 16:48, Tom Scott wrote:
Mostly IRC, news, and the occasional flamewar on this email list ;)
- tubbo
On 03/01, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
I see tilde.club (and the tildeverse) as a community of like-minded individuals who are into all things Linux and nix. I also use it for backups in case my homeserver goes down for whatever bizarre reason, especially in these times.
Well I mostly use for IRC atm but I plan on checking some other stuff available. I don't think I can have the commitment for a blog, but maybe I'll see if I pop into something.
-darks
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, redsun wrote:
Fellow tilde.club users,
Since joining tilde.club, I have found it's a fun community that is old-school-tech oriented (not going to find gopher sites on modern social media, lol). What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :) Plus if there's something I haven't tried I figure this will provide hints!
-redsun
(Since the questions are mostly the same, this post is franken-crafted specially [1] as a singular reply cross-posted to both Tildeverse Netnews and Tilde.club mailing list)
snowcrash wrote on Netnews [a]:
Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place [...] How do you spend your time on the server?
The Free Thinker wrote on Netnews [b]:
Though I'm not on Pink, I'm quite curious about this last question relating to all Tilde/Pubnix users. So forgive me for hyjacking the thread, but I for one would be interested to hear from anyone on this.
redsun wrote on Tilde.club mailing list [c]:
What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :)
(For anyone who would like just a quick TLDR without all the backstories; skip to the next `%<-----` cut)
My *original* and intended use of Tilde.club is literally written on Tilde.club's slogan [2]: which is making and hosting web pages-- in a similar manner as college communal Unix account and (to less extent) ye olde GeoCities.
In my use, I also have to choose Tilde.club specifically, as it is one of the only two Tildes in the Tildeverse network which provide WWW service in retro-compatible HTTP/HTTPS dual-served fashion. [3] This is where I host my online art gallery-- the one you see on the Usenet signature of this post; which was migrated from DeviantART, due to the service's redesign there that rendered it unusable on a legacy setup I use.
(The journey on restoring a service-hosted digital art gallery into a form of a classic hand-crafted website with multiple interwoven elements of legacy-first design was a whole adventure on its own; but that is a story for another day)
When I discovered Tilde.club however, the WWW part wasn't only the "goodies" I was looking for. Email is also what I consider a standard part of pubnix experience. Tilde.club ticked that box, unsurprisingly.
But there were some parts that I did not expect which made me went wide-eyed when I read through the on-site documentation: Gopher and NNTP Netnews. They are protocols which I see as useful and would like to see more use of, but they went out of fashion for so long that how to use and operate them become a "lost art" to majority of people and even mainstream technologists. When I got into Tilde.club, I could finally made full uses of them, help managing some of them, and making some creative hacks; like Netnews games [5], and not-ASCII art gallery on Gopher (seen on this post's Usenet signature) for example.
(Gopher also has special importance to me in this regard. Prior to joining Tilde.club, I had used Gopher *once* back when Mozilla Firefox could still view Gopher out of the box. Since then, having my own Gopher site became an item in my bucket list)
For Tildeverse IRC, to be frank, my participation there was originally just an _afterthought_. On that day, after finished putting an "Under construction" placeholder on my Tilde.club WWW space [4]; I thought I would drop in to introduce myself, hand out some gifts; and that was just... it.
Somehow that sprawled into an addict-like usage, leading me to hack 30+ chat windows into a TTS stream, learned GNU Sed to manipulate it to my liking, and monitored that all day long to the point that it became an unbalanced usage of my time; so I cut back on it, and turned back to emphasize more on asynchronous communication mode now.
%<-----
Anyway; in summary, these are on-Tilde passive communication (publishing) services I use, by the descending order of importance:
- WWW Hosting (+CGI +plain HTTP1) - Gopher Hosting (+executable Gophermap) - Finger Hosting (dynamic efingerd page)
And these are active communication service I use here, by the descending order of my everyday usage:
- Tildeverse Netnews - Tildeverse IRC - Email
(^ If it was by order of importance, Email will be at the top)
And these are services and on-Tilde software that I sometimes use (or have used) as novelties:
- Botany [6] - BBJ (read-only) [7] - Among-SUS [8]
And when I log in to a SSH session here, these are what that I spend my screen time on nowadays, in the descending order of screen time spent:
- Tildeverse Netnews (via GNU Less, Alpine, or text editor) - Tildeverse IRC (via Irssi, local-connected) - Email (via Alpine, or text editor) - Botany - BBJ
Writing shell scripts and CGI programs kinda-sorta used to be on this list, but since I intentionally authored them in "Write once, run beyond my death" fashion; they were more like a one-time thing. Once settled, I would normally change it only when I need it to do something more or different.
(As I also use GNU/Linux as my daily-driver, I don't experiment on-Tilde more than what I need to-- since I try to be conscious of my usage of shared resource as well)
Cheers for the Internet of DIY, ~xwindows
-----
[a] "What do you use pink for?" by snowcrash [2022-02-02T15:58:35Z] news:slrnsvlahb.jra.snowcrash@tilde.pink nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.pink/20 https://tilde.club/~xwindows/tools/netnews/groups/?tilde.pink/20
[b] "Re: What do you use Tildes for? (was: What do you use pink for?)" by The Free Thinker [2022-02-02T23:09:47Z] news:stf2vq$1i4kc$1@tilde.club nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.meta/189 nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.pink/23 https://tilde.club/~xwindows/tools/netnews/groups/?tilde.meta/189
[c] "What do you use tilde.club for most" by redsun [2022-03-02T01:33:55Z] https://lists.tildeverse.org/hyperkitty/list/tildeclub@lists.tildeverse.org/message/4EBKN6Z6MHCBF4UKOTNA4S6QI3TBSZP3/
[1] Apart from cross-posting magic; this post is also written in Buckminster Fuller's "Ventilated Prose" style, hacked into RFC 2646 "text/plain; format=flowed" message format.
Depending on the news/mail client used, this post may look either (on supported clients) very silky, or (in source view and unsupporting clients) weirdly poetic. That duality is intentional and they aid reading in different ways.
[2] https://tilde.club/:
tilde.club is not a social network it is one tiny totally standard unix computer that people respectfully use together in their shared quest to build awesome web pages
WELCOME TO TILDE.CLUB A PLACE FOR WEB PAGES
[3] The other Tilde server with this characteristic is Tilde.town, but the email system there is mostly local-only which is... not ideal.
[4] It looked like this: https://tilde.club/~xwindows/art/cyber-wasteland/original/index.html
[5] "ASCII Of?" by xwindows [2021-07-14T08:22:37Z] news:b5618b23-9af8-400e-a520-950437c740d7@tilde.club nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.art.ascii/39 https://tilde.club/~xwindows/tools/netnews/groups/?tilde.art.ascii/39
[6] Unrelated: apart from virtual Botany plant, I also have a real edible garden on my balcony; which I (coincidentally) started cultivating around the same time that I started playing Botany.
[7] Having Internet-based BBS-like service is okay; but I have chosen to spend my time and effort participating in Netnews, but not BBJ, as I also pay attention to technical characteristics of discussion parlor as well.
Netnews has standardized message format and client interface with long history of backward and forward compatibility, as well as ability for user to hand-type message or protocol interaction, together with threaded replies, discrete discussion groups, inbuilt offline-first usage assumption, and multi-site full/partial federation.
I consider these traits important for my participation, as I often read the posts and write replies _offline_ (this post included), and I don't make just ephemeral posts concerning current events. Sometimes I put out multiple-pages long technical comments that people still reference to more than a year afterward.
For this reason, I consider it being important for individual post to be archivable as well. (Netnews message format is very suitable for this. There are also standardized `news:` URI and `nntp://` URL scheme for linking to individual message over the network as well)
[8] A AGPL-licensed text game clone of Among Us multiplayer mobile game. One can play on Tildeverse instance by connecting Netcat or compatibles, ideally with readline-capable input or wrapped with `rlwrap`, to sus.tildeverse.org TCP port 1234. Tildeverse IRC channel #sus is a place for players' rendezvous. Source code at https://git.sr.ht/~martijnbraam/among-sus
Thanks for taking the time to assemble this. It's great!
-- ~elb
On 30 Apr 2022, at 7:46, xwindows wrote:
(Since the questions are mostly the same, this post is franken-crafted specially [1] as a singular reply cross-posted to both Tildeverse Netnews and Tilde.club mailing list)
snowcrash wrote on Netnews [a]:
Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place [...] How do you spend your time on the server?
The Free Thinker wrote on Netnews [b]:
Though I'm not on Pink, I'm quite curious about this last question relating to all Tilde/Pubnix users. So forgive me for hyjacking the thread, but I for one would be interested to hear from anyone on this.
redsun wrote on Tilde.club mailing list [c]:
What do most people do with their tilde? Web development, email, learning Linux, or just hang out on IRC? I was just curious :)
(For anyone who would like just a quick TLDR without all the backstories; skip to the next `%<-----` cut)
My *original* and intended use of Tilde.club is literally written on Tilde.club's slogan [2]: which is making and hosting web pages-- in a similar manner as college communal Unix account and (to less extent) ye olde GeoCities.
In my use, I also have to choose Tilde.club specifically, as it is one of the only two Tildes in the Tildeverse network which provide WWW service in retro-compatible HTTP/HTTPS dual-served fashion. [3] This is where I host my online art gallery-- the one you see on the Usenet signature of this post; which was migrated from DeviantART, due to the service's redesign there that rendered it unusable on a legacy setup I use.
(The journey on restoring a service-hosted digital art gallery into a form of a classic hand-crafted website with multiple interwoven elements of legacy-first design was a whole adventure on its own; but that is a story for another day)
When I discovered Tilde.club however, the WWW part wasn't only the "goodies" I was looking for. Email is also what I consider a standard part of pubnix experience. Tilde.club ticked that box, unsurprisingly.
But there were some parts that I did not expect which made me went wide-eyed when I read through the on-site documentation: Gopher and NNTP Netnews. They are protocols which I see as useful and would like to see more use of, but they went out of fashion for so long that how to use and operate them become a "lost art" to majority of people and even mainstream technologists. When I got into Tilde.club, I could finally made full uses of them, help managing some of them, and making some creative hacks; like Netnews games [5], and not-ASCII art gallery on Gopher (seen on this post's Usenet signature) for example.
(Gopher also has special importance to me in this regard. Prior to joining Tilde.club, I had used Gopher *once* back when Mozilla Firefox could still view Gopher out of the box. Since then, having my own Gopher site became an item in my bucket list)
For Tildeverse IRC, to be frank, my participation there was originally just an _afterthought_. On that day, after finished putting an "Under construction" placeholder on my Tilde.club WWW space [4]; I thought I would drop in to introduce myself, hand out some gifts; and that was just... it.
Somehow that sprawled into an addict-like usage, leading me to hack 30+ chat windows into a TTS stream, learned GNU Sed to manipulate it to my liking, and monitored that all day long to the point that it became an unbalanced usage of my time; so I cut back on it, and turned back to emphasize more on asynchronous communication mode now.
%<-----
Anyway; in summary, these are on-Tilde passive communication (publishing) services I use, by the descending order of importance:
- WWW Hosting (+CGI +plain HTTP1)
- Gopher Hosting (+executable Gophermap)
- Finger Hosting (dynamic efingerd page)
And these are active communication service I use here, by the descending order of my everyday usage:
- Tildeverse Netnews
- Tildeverse IRC
(^ If it was by order of importance, Email will be at the top)
And these are services and on-Tilde software that I sometimes use (or have used) as novelties:
- Botany [6]
- BBJ (read-only) [7]
- Among-SUS [8]
And when I log in to a SSH session here, these are what that I spend my screen time on nowadays, in the descending order of screen time spent:
- Tildeverse Netnews (via GNU Less, Alpine, or text editor)
- Tildeverse IRC (via Irssi, local-connected)
- Email (via Alpine, or text editor)
- Botany
- BBJ
Writing shell scripts and CGI programs kinda-sorta used to be on this list, but since I intentionally authored them in "Write once, run beyond my death" fashion; they were more like a one-time thing. Once settled, I would normally change it only when I need it to do something more or different.
(As I also use GNU/Linux as my daily-driver, I don't experiment on-Tilde more than what I need to-- since I try to be conscious of my usage of shared resource as well)
Cheers for the Internet of DIY, ~xwindows
[a] "What do you use pink for?" by snowcrash [2022-02-02T15:58:35Z] news:slrnsvlahb.jra.snowcrash@tilde.pink nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.pink/20 https://tilde.club/~xwindows/tools/netnews/groups/?tilde.pink/20
[b] "Re: What do you use Tildes for? (was: What do you use pink for?)" by The Free Thinker [2022-02-02T23:09:47Z] news:stf2vq$1i4kc$1@tilde.club nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.meta/189 nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.pink/23 https://tilde.club/~xwindows/tools/netnews/groups/?tilde.meta/189
[c] "What do you use tilde.club for most" by redsun [2022-03-02T01:33:55Z] https://lists.tildeverse.org/hyperkitty/list/tildeclub@lists.tildeverse.org/message/4EBKN6Z6MHCBF4UKOTNA4S6QI3TBSZP3/
[1] Apart from cross-posting magic; this post is also written in Buckminster Fuller's "Ventilated Prose" style, hacked into RFC 2646 "text/plain; format=flowed" message format.
Depending on the news/mail client used, this post may look either (on supported clients) very silky, or (in source view and unsupporting clients) weirdly poetic. That duality is intentional and they aid reading in different ways.
[2] https://tilde.club/ :
tilde.club is not a social network it is one tiny totally standard unix computer that people respectfully use together in their shared quest to build awesome web pages
WELCOME TO TILDE.CLUB A PLACE FOR WEB PAGES
[3] The other Tilde server with this characteristic is Tilde.town, but the email system there is mostly local-only which is... not ideal.
[4] It looked like this: https://tilde.club/~xwindows/art/cyber-wasteland/original/index.html
[5] "ASCII Of?" by xwindows [2021-07-14T08:22:37Z] news:b5618b23-9af8-400e-a520-950437c740d7@tilde.club nntp://news.tilde.club/tilde.art.ascii/39 https://tilde.club/~xwindows/tools/netnews/groups/?tilde.art.ascii/39
[6] Unrelated: apart from virtual Botany plant, I also have a real edible garden on my balcony; which I (coincidentally) started cultivating around the same time that I started playing Botany.
[7] Having Internet-based BBS-like service is okay; but I have chosen to spend my time and effort participating in Netnews, but not BBJ, as I also pay attention to technical characteristics of discussion parlor as well.
Netnews has standardized message format and client interface with long history of backward and forward compatibility, as well as ability for user to hand-type message or protocol interaction, together with threaded replies, discrete discussion groups, inbuilt offline-first usage assumption, and multi-site full/partial federation.
I consider these traits important for my participation, as I often read the posts and write replies _offline_ (this post included), and I don't make just ephemeral posts concerning current events. Sometimes I put out multiple-pages long technical comments that people still reference to more than a year afterward.
For this reason, I consider it being important for individual post to be archivable as well. (Netnews message format is very suitable for this. There are also standardized `news:` URI and `nntp://` URL scheme for linking to individual message over the network as well)
[8] A AGPL-licensed text game clone of Among Us multiplayer mobile game. One can play on Tildeverse instance by connecting Netcat or compatibles, ideally with readline-capable input or wrapped with `rlwrap`, to sus.tildeverse.org TCP port 1234. Tildeverse IRC channel #sus is a place for players' rendezvous. Source code at https://git.sr.ht/~martijnbraam/among-sus
-- xwindows' gallery of freely-licensed artworks https://tilde.club/~xwindows/ http://tilde.club/~xwindows/ gopher://tilde.club/1/~xwindows/
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