On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 09:35:51PM +0300, jan6@tilde.ninja wrote:
</blockquote></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">[nonsense follows:]</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif" dir="auto">I believe gmail has some magic algorithms, so if some people have you in their address books for example, you're far less likely to be messed with, etc.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Tho pretty sure proper dkim and whole shebang together, would also make it unlikely you're ignored/viewed as spam (as long as it's all proper and old enough/not freshly made, of course)...</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">of course, they might also be flagging residential IPs, or specific TLDs or such as having higher risk (like .xyz vs .com), which is unrelated story...</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">(also not too unlikely they prefer stuff from domains ranked OK in their search and/or stuff like mail.example.net over mymail.example.domain.org or "you must be x months old domain and stuff to be taken seriously" etc...)</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">[/nonsense]</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">on one hand, they do half these things to fight spam...</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">on the other hand, well, there are always alternative big mail places, which are just as good/bad otherwise, like yahoo and mail.com (mail.com has SOOOO MANY domains to choose from when creating account...) and microsoft's one (yes you can still create @hotmail.com address, pretty sure) ;p</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I like to keep a mail.com address reserved for stuff I don't want to be associated with me (including one-off account registrations and things likely to be spam, etc, as it's not blacklisted unlike nearly all temp mail providers ;)</div></div></div></div>
OMG that was horrendous trying to read your (HTML) message :(
You can select to send mail as plain text, BTW, but it's not your fault that the listserv isn't scrubbing the HTML from your message. I'll ask one of the admins to look into that because it shouldn't happen on a properly configured listserver.
To address your ideas on the matter, yes I do agree with most of what you said (it was REALLY hard to read, lol). Fresh, unproven domains sending mail, being in a recipients address book, etc., an awful lot of the problems I recall had to do with exactly the sort of things you mentioned.
I don't know if you can still actually get a hotmail account or not. Nowadays, I know they push people toward outlook.com accounts, but same company lol.
Mail.com - that's a bit of a sore spot with me. Years ago (maybe twenty) I got an email.com email account. I liked it only because it was email.com, then I think what happened was that mail.com bought it, and you could no longer get one, but you could still login to your email.com webmail. I'm pretty sure that domain went bye bye, because a few years ago I was unable to access the account or something like that, IIRC. Anyway, I never really used it, as it was more of a novelty :)
I rarely use my regular gmail account, the one I've had since it was in beta, except for one aspect, I have a lifetime email account from my Alma mater, UCSD, and I have it set up there, so occasionaly I'll send/receive mail through that, but only from an MUA and not the gmail web based client interface.
Anyway, I suspect that you're pretty close to the mark about Google's mail services - partly as a result of their Spam processing and partly because they're diks ;)