We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same.
I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
Are there active non-media news groups?
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 7:09 PM 🐂 GNU Hacker ☠ gnuhacker@member.fsf.org wrote:
We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same.
I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 🐂 GNU Hacker ☠ wrote:
We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same. I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
The unsubscribe info is in the headers; if your client doesn't surface those (one disappointment in Fastmail's web interface: it doesn't) then you can still manually send mail to the unsub address: tildeclub-leave@lists.tildeverse.org
On 22/12/2021 03:11, Karen Cravens wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 🐂 GNU Hacker ☠ wrote:
We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same. I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
The unsubscribe info is in the headers; if your client doesn't surface those (one disappointment in Fastmail's web interface: it doesn't) then you can still manually send mail to the unsub address: tildeclub-leave@lists.tildeverse.org
Is it redundant for club to have both the mailing list and the newsgroups though? Or rather, what things make it useful to have the two systems?
~cosa
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 10:23:11AM +0100, cosarara wrote:
On 22/12/2021 03:11, Karen Cravens wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 🐂 GNU Hacker ☠ wrote:
We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same. I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
The unsubscribe info is in the headers; if your client doesn't surface those (one disappointment in Fastmail's web interface: it doesn't) then you can still manually send mail to the unsub address: tildeclub-leave@lists.tildeverse.org
Is it redundant for club to have both the mailing list and the newsgroups though? Or rather, what things make it useful to have the two systems?
~cosa
Does it even need to be useful?
IMHO, at least, part of the appeal of ~club is that very little of it needs to have a "point". It just has to be interesting, or fun, or something cool to play with. And as long as the admins can get a hold of people (and vice versa), people are free to engage or not engage with the rest as they wish.
Perhaps that could look like a tildeclub-announce list or newsgroup for ~official~ business and the rest being explicitly social spaces, I dunno, but I'm not sweating any of it too much.
-basil
Exercises like this newsgroup help us to understand and navigate the computational universe to do useful things
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 7:33 AM basil@tilde.club wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 10:23:11AM +0100, cosarara wrote:
On 22/12/2021 03:11, Karen Cravens wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 🐂 GNU Hacker ☠ wrote:
We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same. I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
The unsubscribe info is in the headers; if your client doesn't surface those (one disappointment in Fastmail's web interface: it doesn't) then you can still manually send mail to the unsub address: tildeclub-leave@lists.tildeverse.org
Is it redundant for club to have both the mailing list and the newsgroups though? Or rather, what things make it useful to have the two systems?
~cosa
Does it even need to be useful?
IMHO, at least, part of the appeal of ~club is that very little of it needs to have a "point". It just has to be interesting, or fun, or something cool to play with. And as long as the admins can get a hold of people (and vice versa), people are free to engage or not engage with the rest as they wish.
Perhaps that could look like a tildeclub-announce list or newsgroup for ~official~ business and the rest being explicitly social spaces, I dunno, but I'm not sweating any of it too much.
-basil
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021, at 4:23 AM, cosarara wrote:
Is it redundant for club to have both the mailing list and the newsgroups though? Or rather, what things make it useful to have the two systems?
Since I switched away from Thunderbird I haven't gotten around to installing a newsreader again, so there's that.
It doesn’t have to be useful. That’s why there are many tools in our email programs available for us to use, eg. filtering, silencing, etc. One joins a mailing list for a reason and anyone is always welcome to leave by unsubscribing. No need to complain really. So please keep the emails coming. I’m loving it hearing from all of you and for using the list! Otherwise it’s a waste! :-)
Happy Holidays everyone!!
snowd
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 22, 2021, at 08:19, Karen Cravens silver@phoenyx.net wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021, at 4:23 AM, cosarara wrote: Is it redundant for club to have both the mailing list and the newsgroups though? Or rather, what things make it useful to have the two systems?
Since I switched away from Thunderbird I haven't gotten around to installing a newsreader again, so there's that.
I have been enjoying reading all the emails. Keep em coming here as well.
I don't always have something to add to these conversations but I do read most of the emails.
~deepend December 22, 2021 8:21 AM, "snowdusk" <snowdusk@tilde.club (mailto:snowdusk@tilde.club?to=%22snowdusk%22%20snowdusk@tilde.club)> wrote: It doesn’t have to be useful. That’s why there are many tools in our email programs available for us to use, eg. filtering, silencing, etc. One joins a mailing list for a reason and anyone is always welcome to leave by unsubscribing. No need to complain really. So please keep the emails coming. I’m loving it hearing from all of you and for using the list! Otherwise it’s a waste! :-)
Happy Holidays everyone!!
snowd Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2021, at 08:19, Karen Cravens <silver@phoenyx.net (mailto:silver@phoenyx.net)> wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2021, at 4:23 AM, cosarara wrote:
Is it redundant for club to have both the mailing list and the newsgroups though? Or rather, what things make it useful to have the two systems?
Since I switched away from Thunderbird I haven't gotten around to installing a newsreader again, so there's that.
On Wed, 22 Dec 2021, GNU Hacker wrote:
We've the newsgroups in news.tilde.club that work same.
They don't work the same; but I get what you meant. [1]
I think that the newsgroups are more confortables to read
I personally think that mailing list is _okay_, as long as it has an archive viewer software that is not a jerk [2] and is universally accessible [3]. Unforunately, Tildeverse Hyperkitty fails both; so I usually avoid using mailing list, and swear by Netnews instead.
Regards, ~xwindows
[1] While both are discussions parlor with MIME message format and threaded replies, the delivery method is not the same; which some people might prefer one method over another. (In mailing list, messages are archived on each user's side; while in Netnews [traditionally], archive would reside on server-side, and usually require user action to archive them; for example)
But in a role of forum, I personally like Netnews better, as messages prior to first use are instantly available; so one can just join in and continue existing discussion right away.
While in mailing list, replying to thread existing prior-to-registration requires manual process that involves extracting MBOX/MIME-message from the archive (requires that one has access the the archive in the first place [2][3]), import it into a mail client of choice (requires one to use mail client software [4]), and reply from that. I had to do this more than once, it gets old fast.
[2] Try launching graphical browser with JavaS'creep *disabled*, and attempt to view *entire* thread (any thread with replies) on this mailing list archive. And then, use Lynx (must be Lynx specifically) to do the same; compare result, and you would see what I meant.
U/A-discrimination in full force, if you ask me.
[3] Having HTTPS-only interface means viewing it requires "lastest and greatest" software (a la upgrade threadmill); which means it's not universally-accessible, as it discriminates against people who are using legacy computer/software systems.
[4] Strictly speaking: it doesn't, provided that webmail in question allows you to design your own MIME header (so that you can manually plug in `References:` value obtained from the extracted MBOX/MIME file); but which big-name webmail provider[s] actually allow that, exactly? (If you know one that do, please tell; but self-hosted webmail software don't count, since you could always rig it to do that)
xwindows xwindows@tilde.club writes:
I personally think that mailing list is _okay_, as long as it has an archive viewer software that is not a jerk [2] and is universally accessible [3]. Unforunately, Tildeverse Hyperkitty fails both; so I usually avoid using mailing list, and swear by Netnews instead.
Regards, ~xwindows
[1] While both are discussions parlor with MIME message format and threaded replies, the delivery method is not the same; which some people might prefer one method over another. (In mailing list, messages are archived on each user's side; while in Netnews [traditionally], archive would reside on server-side, and usually require user action to archive them; for example) But in a role of forum, I personally like Netnews better, as messages prior to first use are instantly available; so one can just join in and continue existing discussion right away. While in mailing list, replying to thread existing prior-to-registration requires manual process that involves extracting MBOX/MIME-message from the archive (requires that one has access the the archive in the first place [2][3]), import it into a mail client of choice (requires one to use mail client software [4]), and reply from that. I had to do this more than once, it gets old fast.
[2] Try launching graphical browser with JavaS'creep *disabled*, and attempt to view *entire* thread (any thread with replies) on this mailing list archive. And then, use Lynx (must be Lynx specifically) to do the same; compare result, and you would see what I meant. U/A-discrimination in full force, if you ask me.
[3] Having HTTPS-only interface means viewing it requires "lastest and greatest" software (a la upgrade threadmill); which means it's not universally-accessible, as it discriminates against people who are using legacy computer/software systems.
[4] Strictly speaking: it doesn't, provided that webmail in question allows you to design your own MIME header (so that you can manually plug in `References:` value obtained from the extracted MBOX/MIME file); but which big-name webmail provider[s] actually allow that, exactly? (If you know one that do, please tell; but self-hosted webmail software don't count, since you could always rig it to do that)
I use GNU Emacs to read mail list and to read newsgroups
On Wed, 22 Dec 2021, GNU Hacker wrote:
I use GNU Emacs to read mail list and to read newsgroups
Yeah, I know Emacs could. Several people here use Emacs Gnus (for Netnews and probably also for mailing list with the same interface), Emacs ERC (for chat), Emacs EWW (for web browsing), Emacs Org (for outlining + personal notes), and many more; probably more than one of them at the same time too.
But for myself personally, out of all the GNU-things that I have (quasi-)maintained, used, or learned (this includes old-school esoteric things like GNU Ed, GNU RCS, GNU Sed, and GNU AWK); Emacs the first GNU-thing, utimate text desktop suite x super macro writing toolkit is still one of the things that I have yet to find my own excuse to learn.
Regards, ~xwindows
P.S. This email is written and sent from on-host Alpine installation inside Tilde.club. (Alpine is the main read/post interface I normally use for both Tildeverse Netnews and Tilde.club email/mailing-list)
P.P.S. I have brought up the low level details, because I do not necessarily interact with email and Netnews via applications' user interface. (Especially with Tildeverse Netnews, which I use one of the 11 methods to read/post/archive/debug [1] since I live a semi-offline life, and I'm kinda-sorta a de-facto person responsible for investigating or fixing problems about Netnews here)
[1] 5 of them are newsreaders (3 TUI, 2 GUI) 3 of them are MIME-level tools (2 for posting [1 bespoke], and 1 for reading [bespoke]), 3 are transport-level utilities (1 set for file, and another two sets for NNTP)
^ Of course, you don't need to remind me that Emacs could be retooled to do all of that; but that requires me to master using Emacs and writing Emacs Lisp first; which for reasons I already said above, I don't currently have time to do that.
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